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What your vets won't tell you.
Raw-fed pets.
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bgarr1ett


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I know my dogs are eating healty thank goodness!

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Cressanttiger84


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the vet we know doesn't try to sell us usless food but we known him for about 18 years, but the bone thing I kinda have to argue about the bones that the dogs chew on can beak and when that happens the small fragments get inside and hurt them or ghet stuck inside their throats

Post edited at 8:43 am on June 11, 2008 by Cressanttiger84


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Quote: from Cressanttiger84 at 9:05 am on June 11, 2008

the vet we know doesn't try to sell us usless food but we known him for about 18 years, but the bone thing I kinda have to argue about the bones that the dogs chew on can beak and when that happens the small fragments get inside and hurt them or ghet stuck inside their throats

Uncooked bones do not splinter. Wild dogs, and cats, will eat bone all the time.

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Why might BARF be fatal to dogs? Let Dr. Churchill count the ways: "Bones, even raw and ground ones, can perforate the [gastrointestinal] tract. This can lead to peritonitis, severe infections, require emergency surgery, and dogs die from this each year...These diets are contaminated with bacteria. This may not be harmful to a healthy dog. However, dogs don't come with a label saying which ones will be fine and which ones will get sick."

You should boil the bones, it softens them. Correction, most uncooked bones do not splinter, but some still do; depending on the bone itself. Better to boil the bones for about 10 minutes to be on the safe side.


THIS ONLY PERTAINS TO DOGS NOT AT 100% HEALTH. Healthy dogs benefit from the small traces bacteria in uncooked bones/meat by building an immunity to it.

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Thats interesting. I dont eat meat, but I might consider feeding it to a pet.

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Do you feed your pets raw meat? Do you own any?

If not, I suggest you refrain from giving out any information to others about theirs.



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My mom's a vet and I knew all this. We usually feed our animals "pet food" (Science Diet R/D for my dogs, D/D for my cat), just because raw food is expensive. Nonetheless they get plenty of it. We buy small chickens for Roo weekly, just for her.

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babsbunee13


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I highly, HIGHLY agree with not feeding kibble. it is not natural, and a dogs body cannot digest things like corn, which is what kibble is mostly made of.

That whole Beneful shit, yeah, it makes you think veggies are good for dogs. They're not.

And seriously, if I had the money to raw feed my dog, I would in a heart beat. I do, however, mix his food with either a boiled egg or some kind of meat everyday. Kibble does not have enough protein and nutrition, especially for my show dog.

So, when your walking down the isle at PetsMart wondering which food is better, none of it is.

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I'd like to see you eat some raw meat, since it's so safe.

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Those teeth arent meant to chew mashed potatos...I dont know who does that.

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Quote: from peace love sunshine at 2:13 pm on Aug. 15, 2008

I'd like to see you eat some raw meat, since it's so safe.

Technically, a human could go out and kill a wild animal, eat it's meat raw, and not get sick, if they are healthy.

Don't be stupid.

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i didn't know a lot of that

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Quote: from babsbunee13 at 5:00 pm on Aug. 13, 2008

I highly, HIGHLY agree with not feeding kibble. it is not natural, and a dogs body cannot digest things like corn, which is what kibble is mostly made of.

That whole Beneful shit, yeah, it makes you think veggies are good for dogs. They're not.

And seriously, if I had the money to raw feed my dog, I would in a heart beat. I do, however, mix his food with either a boiled egg or some kind of meat everyday. Kibble does not have enough protein and nutrition, especially for my show dog.

So, when your walking down the isle at PetsMart wondering which food is better, none of it is.


And how much research have you done on kibble? There are plenty of really great brands out there that are grain free. And a lot of foods that although not grain free, do not contain corn. The average person knows nothing about feeding raw, so filling their heads with the idea that all kibble is bad for their dogs is just ignorant. The people reading this thread who believe you will end up trying to feed their dogs just raw chicken and bones and end up with a very malnourished animal.

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Alpo Prime Cuts - Score 81 C

Artemis Large/Medium Breed Puppy - Score 114 A+

Authority Harvest Baked - Score 116 A+

Authority Harvest Baked Less Active - Score 93 B

Beowulf Back to Basics - Score 101 A+

Bil-Jac Frozen - Score 74

Bil-Jac Select - Score 48 F

Blackwood 3000 Lamb and Rice - Score 83 C

Blue Buffalo Chicken and Rice - Score 106 A+

Burns Chicken and Brown Rice - Score 107 A+

By Nature puppy formula - Score 99 A

Canidae - Score 112A+

Chicken Soup Senior - Score 115 A+

Diamond Maintenance - Score 64 F

Diamond Lamb Meal & Rice - Score 92 B

Diamond Large Breed 60+ Formula - Score 99 A

Diamond Performance - Score 85 C

Eagle Pack Holistic Chicken-114 points A+Flint River Ranch: 92 (non-specific fat source) B

Eagle Pack Large and Giant Breed Puppy: 94 A

Van Patten's Natural Balance Ultra Premium - Score 122 A+

Van Patten's Natural Balance Venison & Brown Rice - Score 106 A+

Van Patten's Duck and Potato - Score 106 A+

EaglePack Holistic - Score 102 A+

Eagle Pack Natural: 94 A

Eukanuba Adult - Score 81 C

Eukanuba Large Breed Adult: 83 C

Eukanuba Natural Lamb and Rice-87 points B

Eukanuba Puppy - Score 79 C

Flint River Senior - Score 101 A+

Foundations - Score 106 A+

Hund-n-Flocken Adult Dog (lamb) by Solid Gold - Score 93 B

Iams Lamb Meal & Rice Formula Premium - Score 73 D

Iams Large Breed: 83 C

Innova Dog - Score 114 A+

Innova Evo - Score 114 A+

Innova Large Breed Puppy - Score 122 A+

Kirkland Signature Chicken, Rice, & Vegetables - Score 110 A+

Member's Mark Chicken and Rice - Score 84 C

Merrick Wilderness Blend - Score 127 A+

Natural Balance Duck and Potato-114 points A+

Nature's Recipe - Score 100 A

Nature's Recipe Healthy Skin Venison & Rice - Score 116 A+

Nature's Variety Raw Instinct - Score 122 A+

Nutra Nuggets Super Premium Lamb Meal and Rice - Score 81C

Nutrience Junior Medium Breed Puppy - Score 101 A+

Nutrisource Lamb and Rice - Score 87 B

Nutro Chicken, Rice, & Oatmeal: 85 (non-specific fat source) C

Nutro Max Adult - Score 93 B

Nutro Natural Choice Lamb and Rice - Score 98 A

Nutro Natural Choice Large Breed Puppy - Score 87B

Nutro Natural Choice Puppy Wheat Free - Score 86 B

Nutro Natural Choice Senior - Score 95 A

Nutro Ultra Adult - Score 104 A+

Ol Roy-9 points F

Pedigree Complete Nutrition: 42 F

Pedigree Adult Complete-14 points F

Pet Gold Adult with Lamb & Rice - Score 23 F

Premium Edge Chicken, Rice & Vegetables Adult dry - Score 109 A+

Pro Nature Puppy - Score 80 C

Pro Plan All Breed: 68 F

Pro Plan Sensitive Stomach - Score 94 A

Purina Beniful - Score 17 F

Purina Dog - Score 62 F

Purina Come-n-Get It - Score 16 F

Purina One Large Breed Puppy - Score 62 F

Royal Canin Boxer - Score 103 A+

Royal Canin Bulldog - Score 100 A+

Royal Canin Natural Blend Adult - Score 106 A+

Science Diet Advanced Protein Senior 7+ - Score 63 F

Science Diet chicken adult maintainance-45 points F

Science Diet for Large Breed Puppies - Score 69 F

Sensible Choice Chicken and Rice - Score 97 A

Solid Gold - Score 99 A

Solid Gold Bison-123 points A+

Summit - Score 99 A

Timberwolf Organics Lamb and Venison-136 points A+

Timberwolf Organics Wild & Natural Dry - Score 120 A+

Wellness Super5 Mix Chicken - Score 110 A+

Wolfking Adult Dog (bison) by Solid Gold - Score 97 A

This is how the grades were determined:

Start with a grade of 100

1) For every listing of "by-product", subtract 10 points

2) For every non-specific animal source ("meat" or poultry", meat, meal or fat) reference, subtract 10 points

3) If the food contains BHA, BHT, or ethoxyquin, subtract 10 points

4) For every grain "mill run" or non-specific rain source, subtract 5 points

5) If the same grain ingredient is used 2 or more times in the first five ingredients (i.e. ground brown rice", brewer's rice", "rice flour" are all the same grain), subtract 5 points

6) If the protein sources are not meat meal and there are less than 2 meats in the top 3 ingredients, subtract 3 points

7) If it contains any artificial colorants, subtract 3 points

8 ) If it contains ground corn or whole grain corn, subtract 3 points

9) If corn is listed in the top 5 ingredients, subtract 2 more points

10) If the food contains any animal fat other than fish oil, subtract 2 points

11) If lamb is the only animal protein source unless your dog is allergic to other protein sources), subtract 2 points

12) If it contains soy or soybeans, subtract 2 points

13) If it contains wheat (unless you know that your dog isn't allergic to wheat), subtract 2 points

14) If it contains beef (unless you know that your dog isn't allergic to beef), subtract 1 point

15) If it contains salt, subtract 1 point

Extra Credit:

1) If any of the meat sources are organic, add 5 points

2) If the food is endorsed by any major breed goup or nutritionist, add 5 points

3) If the food is baked not extruded, add 5 points

4) If the food contains probiotics, add 3 points

5) If the food contains fruit, add 3 points

6) If the food contains vegetables (NOT corn or other grains) add 3 points

7) If the animal sources are hormone-free and antibiotic-free add 2 points

8 ) If the food contains barley, add 2 points

9) If the food contains flax seed oil (not just the seeds) add 2 points

10) If the food contains oats or oatmeal, add 1 point

11) If the food contains sunflower oil, add 1 point

12) For every different specific animal protein source (other than the first one; count "chicken" and "chicken meal" as only one protein source, but "chicken" and "" as 2 different sources) add 1 point

13) If it contains glucosamine and chondroitin, add 1 point

14) If the vegetables have been tested for pesticides and are pesticide free, add 1 point


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