This originally was meant to describe the nature of atomic/subatomic physics in which partials exist  in more then one state until observed at which time they "choose" one form to exist in.

Post edited at 5:58 pm on July 19, 2008 by HarrySunderland

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There's a little more uncertainty involved in the Schroedinger situation, guys.

The poison vial is triggered by the decay of a radioactive isotope which has a 50/50 chance of releasing the triggering particle every so often.

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ah, come on...
The OP didn't know that, it would have been easier to go against the claims if you hadn't said that...

Besides, equating the guesswork involved in Schrodinger's cat to the guesswork involved in believing in God is silly.

in the Cat situation we KNOW the parameters. We know that there is a radioactive isotope that has a 50/50 chance of breaking the vile. We know that the poison will kill the cat if the vile breaks.
what do we KNOW about god? Nothing.

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Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful.It's the transition
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The problem with bringing up Schrödinger's cat first off is the people who never heard of it have no clue what your talking about, and the people who comprehend it understand it has nothing to do with the OP's point, or at least is a failed attempt off the OP to try to make a point.

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I agree to an extent, however, while the PHYSICAL implications of S's Cat are not related, the philosophical implications could be, if argued correctly.

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Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful.It's the transition
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Everyone has some kind of faith. It's just that in the context of this forum (religion) people associate 'faith' with a belief in some deity or higher power.

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What she said.

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I made it rain on my hoes.Then god smote me for trying to play god.

Furthermore Schrodinger's Cat as an argument as to why we all have faith is retarded. It has no relevance towards the notion of faith. Schrodinger's Cat discusses the state of matter. Under the framework that Schrodinger gave, the cat must be both alive and dead at the same time and only by opening the box will the actual outcome be revealed. There is no faith involved.

The cat senario was given as an argument against the Copenhagen interpretation. How this relates to faith, I have no idea, but TheLastMagister is an idiot, so maybe you have to be an idiot to understand his logic.

HarrySunderland is correct in that the term given by TheLastMagister is irrelevant to the discussion.

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Maybe God doesn't care how you say your prayers,
just as long as you say them- Jeffery Sinclair

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TheLastMagister is a troll. He never come back to his threads. Plus he's not very intelligent  

Furthermore Schrodinger's Cat as an argument as to why we all have faith is retarded. It has no relevance towards the notion of faith. Schrodinger's Cat discusses the state of matter. Under the framework that Schrodinger gave, the cat must be both alive and dead at the same time and only by opening the box will the actual outcome be revealed. There is no faith involved.  

The cat senario was given as an argument against the Copenhagen interpretation. How this relates to faith, I have no idea, but TheLastMagister is an idiot, so maybe you have to be an idiot to understand his logic.

HarrySunderland is correct in that the term given by TheLastMagister is irrelevant to the discussion.

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Yeah, I completely owned him on another thread. He didn't like it.

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Look up Schrodinger's Cat. It really makes you re-assess the "fact" that you have no faith. You have faith the cat is in there still and dead, right?

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There's a difference between accepting certain ideas on faith and basing extreme claims and outlandish beliefs on faith, choosing to lead your life by "faith."

Our minds function on faith (though a better term might be system-of-assumptions), but why should we accept faith-based belief systems which make outlandish and supernatural claims?

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But then I'm stuck over the difference between faith and reason.

Whether or not the cat is dead or alive is down to statistics, nothing else. If a coin has 50% chance of landing on either side after being flipped you don't need faith to make an assesment.

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Sort of two/three dimensional Wizard of Oz for the future.

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TheLastMagister is a troll. He never come back to his threads. Plus he's not very intelligent  

Furthermore Schrodinger's Cat as an argument as to why we all have faith is retarded. It has no relevance towards the notion of faith. Schrodinger's Cat discusses the state of matter. Under the framework that Schrodinger gave, the cat must be both alive and dead at the same time and only by opening the box will the actual outcome be revealed. There is no faith involved.  

The cat senario was given as an argument against the Copenhagen interpretation. How this relates to faith, I have no idea, but TheLastMagister is an idiot, so maybe you have to be an idiot to understand his logic.

HarrySunderland is correct in that the term given by TheLastMagister is irrelevant to the discussion.

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Alright, let's explain this for dumb dumb. I have heard athiests blatantly state that they have no faith, or that they openly criticize those who have faith. This post is to explain that faith is actually belief in something that you cannot physically acknowledge, and while Schrodinger's cat wasn't for this, it still works to show how people rely on faith daily. It's human nature.

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Justin1990rm is my bitch.
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Saying, "I have no faith" does not mean, "I put no sort of faith into anything, everything I believe is proven true"
It simply means they can not make that leap into having faith in a Deity.

Saying, "People who have faith are silly" really mean, "People who have faith in God are silly", not "People who exhibit any amount of faith at all are silly"

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Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful.It's the transition
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This is all a semantical argument anyway.

Saying, "I have no faith" does not mean, "I put no sort of faith into anything, everything I believe is proven true"  
It simply means they can not make that leap into having faith in a Deity.  

Saying, "People who have faith are silly" really mean, "People who have faith in God are silly", not "People who exhibit any amount of faith at all are silly"

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Wait, I'm allowed to take hits over termonology, but I'm not allowed to take the literally meaning of, "have no faith"?

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Justin1990rm is my bitch.
TLM is propety of Kk327, all rights reserved.

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Quote: from Event Horizon at 5:28 pm on July 20, 2008

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This is all a semantical argument anyway.  

 Saying, "I have no faith" does not mean, "I put no sort of faith into anything, everything I believe is proven true"  
 It simply means they can not make that leap into having faith in a Deity.  

 Saying, "People who have faith are silly" really mean, "People who have faith in God are silly", not "People who exhibit any amount of faith at all are silly"

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Wait, I'm allowed to take hits over termonology, but I'm not allowed to take the literally meaning of, "have no faith"?

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You are allowed to, but it makes no sense.

When someone says, "I have no faith" they implicitly mean, "I have no faith in a Deity". To take it literally is semantical and foolish.

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Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful.It's the transition
that's troublesome.   --Isaac Asimov